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Posted: Oct. 26, 2003 6:23 am/pm Quote

Yes   definitely stay for the  credits!
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I Loved  it!!!!   :happydance:


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Posted: Oct. 26, 2003 6:31 am/pm Quote

RATS!  I left while the credits were still rolling.  Guess I'll just have to see it again!

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Posted: Oct. 28, 2003 11:40 am/pm Quote

I knew I wanted to see this movie because I thought the previews looked good.  But what really clinched it for me is when I heard that Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis provide two of the voices (the moose, meese, mooses, moosi... :9 ).  I don't know about anyone else, but I am a big Bob and Doug McKenzie fan so I am very much looking forward to seeing and hearing them together again.   :bigsmile:


Coo roo coo coo coo coo coo coooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!   :D


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Posted: Oct. 28, 2003 5:27 am/pm Quote

After one reviewer saw the movie (and who liked it, by the way) he said perhaps with them in it the title should have been "Brother BEER!"
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Posted: Oct. 28, 2003 7:12 am/pm Quote

Why I think there will be positive reaction to "Brother Bear":

Big time #1:  It's the first Disney Feature Animation film in a very long time (years) to have a G instead of a PG rating.  When was the last G-rated Disney Feature Animation film?  Too long ago is the answer.   And here's a thought:  Some of the little ones in the audience weren't born yet or may have been too young the last time there was a G-rated "traditional" Disney Feature Animated film.  It's OK for entire families to come to the theatres again to watch a Disney movie.  All those PG Disney animated movies and that "Pirates" over the summer was PG-13 put off a lot of potential Disney audience, and there is pent up demand for something other than Pooh and Pixar from Disney studios that is rated G.  G is good, G can be gold for Disney if they can see the light.

Next:  Positive rub-off from "Finding Nemo".  Positive rub-off from "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" (which was a PG-13 movie but a G-rated theme park ride).  Tourism at Disney parks seems to be perking up.   It's getting to be OK to feel good about Disney again.  If "Brother Bear" can maintain the roll that "Nemo" and "Pirates" started over the summer, it'll bode well for Disney.

Next:  Little ones have a great ability to ignore what is obviously derivative in "Brother Bear"'s teasers and trailers.  Little kiddies don't fret about "What would Walt have done?" about any aspect of this movie the entertainment press has bashed or cried over in their mostly scathing reviews so far (go to Rotten Tomatoes and search for "Brother Bear").   What do the little ones want?  A simple good time at the flicks.  Looks like "Brother Bear" will deliver.

Next:  Opening in two theatres on opposite coasts a week before national release gives an opportunity to counteract negative buzz about the film.  Disney in this way is rather savvy, like Capt. Jack Sparrow was in "Pirates" was.  The hand-wringing Disneyana fan might fret that "Brother Bear" is derivative of several other, better done, Disney films and musical scores and thus fear the worst.  But Disney fans in New York and California have seen the film, posted it's not bad and is actually good, and that positive word of mouth is worth it's weight in millions of ad dollars that don't need to be spent by Disney promoting the movie.  Although Disney really needs to engage in some good will stroking of it's core fan base.  We hear of layoffs at Disney Feature Animation, we see the last couple (except for "Lilo & Stitch") Disney feature-length animation films do less than well at the box office and we start to meltdown.   Good word of mouth from those who've actually seen "Brother Bear" should allay Disney fan fears, according to some of the Disney message bases out there.  It may not be a stellar win, but we'll take that win.

Next:  Disney is doing something very smart.  It's opening "Brother Bear" early in the year-end holiday movie season.  Early enough to stimulate box office traffic.  Early enough that when the huge holiday blockbusters come onscreen at Thanksgiving and Christmas "Brother Bear" won't be creamed by the competition (such as Lord of the Rings).   It's a nice family alternative this early in the year-end movie season.  If it does well it'll have "legs" and stick around as "Finding Nemo" did to be a good G-rated family alternative to some of the other family fare coming out this season, such as "Cat in the Hat".  Family fare will be stiff competition, and "Brother Bear" is not the only release for the total family audience.  But it's set up as the film and studio to beat, and with Disney's success this year so far "Brother Bear" could surprise Hollywood, film-fans and Disneyana fans, too.

Next:  A lot of people don't read movie reviews so whatever's on Rotten Tomatoes or media film critic columns won't matter and they'll have a fresh open attitude about the movie.

I'm looking forward to Saturday, the day "Brother Bear" officially opens in wide cinematic release, but with lots of caution.  Hoping for a uptick in Disney Feature Animation's fates and fortunes with this one.


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Posted: Oct. 28, 2003 7:33 am/pm Quote

Quote (Kimski182 @ Oct. 26, 2003 6:31 am/pm)
RATS!  I left while the credits were still rolling.  Guess I'll just have to see it again!

It's getting to be a "thing" with Disney, with Pixar, maybe with other studios too (I don't get out that much to know).  But err on the side of what's definitely turning out to be a trend:  Stay allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the way through the end of the credits.  The trend is very likely going to be a "goodie" scene or something at the end, or at least during the credits, kinda like an after dinner mint or that little bit of something extra to send you out of the theatre with good feelings about the film overall.  Need to go?  Plan ahead and stay those extra minutes.  Need to go to the restroom?  Try to hold it.  ;)   Need to visit the restroom really really urgently?  Plan ahead and drink less during the movie.   ;)   On a scale of 1-10 with 10 being "Awwww man, you missed it!!!!" and 1 being "I saw it at the very end, so what?  I stayed and waited, for that?" I don't know what any given closing scene after the credits of any Disney or Pixar movie will be like.  What I've read on other Disney message forums hints it's worth it to stay through the end of "Brother Bear"'s credits and it's funny, of course no one is posting what the scene is in order not to post spoilers.   But generally the trend is definitely there in recent Disney and Pixar movies:  Stay through the end of the credits.  For that matter, I wouldn't be surprised if "Haunted Mansion" had some goodie at the end of it's credits, too, so think about it, plan ahead, stay through the end of the credits if you want to truly see the entire film.

Than again it's a free country so do what you gotta/wanna do.  :flag:


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Posted: Oct. 28, 2003 8:07 am/pm Quote

Poor thing.  "Brother Bear" has so many negative reviews at Rotten Tomatoes, and the reviews --some of them-- aren't just negative but flame-torching, and with all those fires in Southern California right now, that instead of "Brother Bear" you could almost call this movie "Smokey the Bear".   Just keep in mind that people didn't expect much from "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie either, the reviews weren't all kind to it, and it turned out to be one of the biggest movies of 2003 so far.  So note that people in NY and Los Angeles where "Brother Bear" is in limited release are posting they do like this movie and the theatres in those cities are filled.  The reviews are entertaining to read, though, and "Brother Bear" actually has some highly positive reviews posted on Rotten Tomatoes.  So take heart, and wear asbestos.  "Brother Bear" may be "Smokey" and scorched by some of the film critics who write, but it's the actual audience and families and Disney fans who count at the box office.  And not every film can be a "Lion King" or "Finding Nemo" with such spectacular box office.  Those kinds of films are rare and very special.  Just go out and have a good time at the flicks with "Brother Bear"...and hope for the best for it.  Like "Smokey the Bear" did maybe "Brother Bear" will surprise us all.

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Posted: Oct. 28, 2003 8:58 am/pm Quote

Yoo Hoo, Disney EchoEars!

For those of you who'd like to read some other reviews...

Music in Brother Bear a Collins special

Phil Collins talks about his work on Disney's Brother Bear and contrasts his experiences and the experiences of Sting who wrote for Disney's Emperor's New Groove.

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Call of the tame
Brother Bear carries on a tradition of warm portrayals of animals in animated features.

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Phil Collins Bearly Sings

TV Guide talks with Phil Collins about his music in Disney's Brother Bear.

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Posted: Oct. 28, 2003 9:19 am/pm Quote

On another Disney fan site's discussion area some posters were complaining that Phil Collins songs in another Disney animated film seemed like a rerun.  Whereupon some other posters started digging up lyrics to old Phil Collins hits ("Can't you feel it in the air tonight?" "Su-su-sudio" and etc.) and posting the lyrics one after another...like oldies radio, of sorts.  Very funny!

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Posted: Oct. 29, 2003 10:05 am/pm Quote

On Oct. 19th in this thread (click here to see it) I wrote:

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Yes, I saw the report that top Disney brass "convinced" the animators how great it would be for them to superimpose a new look to their mountain range, making it look more like the bear mountain at DCA -- plus apparently changing the film's location from Canada to "the wilderness" so it could better fit the California theme at DCA.

Early reviews of Brother Bear are in at rottentomatoes.com and from that one negative review it doesn't look like DCA will get much benefit out of management's tinkering with the movie.

Well, it turns out that Al Lutz didn't get it exactly right in his report that I was referring to (his October 15th Miceage update, "Can This Man Save the 50th?") where Al wrote:

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"Fairly late in the production of the movie, a major change was made to the placement of the mountain that plays home to all of the animal characters in the film."

Those of you who've already seen Brother Bear might be wondering where the mountain is that looks like Grizzly Peak, the bear mountain in Disney's California Adventure. Well it takes a quick, attentive eye to see it, because the mountain in question isn't the main one ("where the lights touch the earth") -- it is the one in the transformation scene where Kenai is turned into a bear.

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"... the Disney Studio animators went back and edited all of the scenes in the film where the original mountain appeared."


Well, "all of the scenes" was actually only one shot in the whole movie -- the last shot in that transformation scene right after Kenai (in bear form) washes up on shore.

But Al did get it right about Michael Eisner having the directors of the movie put Grizzly Peak into their picture after that part of it had already been completed.

Check out Jim Hill's report for the complete details on this.

Jim also found out that Nemo (of "Finding Nemo") can be found in "Brother Bear!" Jim writes:

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But in the film's opening number ("Great Spirits," which is sung by Tina Turner), pay particularly close attention to the moment when Kenai -- while riding on the back of a mammoth -- busts through a fishing net that his brothers, Denhai and Sitka, are holding. As the net breaks, salmon fly everywhere.

It's at this moment -- as the fish go soaring through the air, then splash down into the river -- that you want to keep an eye out for everyone's favorite little clown fish. As to whether Nemo is animated traditionally or done in CG ... I don't know. Let me make another call to the guys down in Orlando and find out.

He also is looking into reports that Grandmother Willow from "Pocahontas" is hidden in "Brother Bear" as well.
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