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Posted by: RichKoster on Feb. 09, 2003 2:50 am/pm

UPDATE: I've posted details about the 2-disc DVD of "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" and you can see the details by clicking here.

"The Pirates of the Caribbean" movie

Pirates ships are seen on the set of the Walt Disney movie 'The Pirates of the Caribbean,' in Wallabou Bay, in the western Caribbean island of St. Vincent, Monday, Feb.3, 2003. The movie is being produced by Jerry Bruckheimer, who has produced 'Top Gun,' 'Pearl Harbor,' and 'Blackhawk Down,' and directed by Gore Verbinski. It follows a daring rescue mission from dangerous pirates who are trying to reverse an ancient curse.
(AP Photo/Chris Brandis)

Posted by: Joshua on Feb. 27, 2003 8:44 am/pm

:pirate: This is another movie that I was curious about. Is it true that Johnny Depp is starring? Does anyone know who any of the other actors are?
Did you'll know that years ago there was a fire in the ride at Disneyland and when they were rehabbing the ride they left a lamppost that had melted during the fire.

Posted by: RichKoster on Feb. 28, 2003 3:13 am/pm



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Is it true that Johnny Depp is starring?
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It's true! He's Captain John Sparrow. :pirate:



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Does anyone know who any of the other actors are?
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See all the crew names and complete details  < here on the official movie website. >

Also look at an < unofficial website. >



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Did you'll know that years ago there was a fire in the ride at Disneyland and when they were rehabbing the ride they left a lamppost that had melted during the fire.
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I don't think that is true, but here's something similar from the unofficial website above:

A fire broke out on the Walt Disney Co.'s studio lot on September 10, 2002, causing $350,000 in damage to a sound stage where a set was under construction for Pirates of the Caribbean. While no one was injured, Disney spokeswoman Michelle Bergman commented thatshooting for Pirates might not be able to proceed on schedule, or have to be moved elsewhere. But she added that Disney does not anticipate the accident will affect the movie's release date, scheduled for summer 2003.

Posted by: RichKoster on Mar. 05, 2003 2:19 am/pm

Pirates of the Caribbean - The Curse of the Black Pearl opens July 9, 2003 in a theater near you.
:pirate:

Posted by: RichKoster on July 07, 2003 10:11 am/pm

Ryan Hedge was invited to the Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl movie premiere at Disneyland and he not only went, but he brought his camera.
:)

You can see pictures Ryan took at the premiere and read his review of the movie at < Electronic Mayhem >.

Posted by: RichKoster on July 09, 2003 11:56 am/pm

Yoo Hoo, Disney EchoEars!

Let's post our own opinions and reviews of the new Pirates of the Caribbean movie to share with our fellow Disney EchoEars!

I'll start things off - - but here's my tip about posting: If you keep things vague enough that you're not including spoilers, let people know at the top of your reply that it is safe to read your review before seeing the movie - - but if you include spoilers, then warn folks about that.

Okay, here I go! It is safe for everyone to read this review, whether they've seen the movie or not.
:pirate:

I saw the first screening at a local theater this afternoon - - it was sold out! I was inside the theater 10 minutes before the scheduled start of the movie and took the best seat I could find at the time: middle of the theater (great!;) but fourth row (thought not so great at the time I sat down).

Well, the seat felt great, reclined, and even though I was so close I didn't get a crook in my neck or anything. Actually, it was like watching an IMAX version of it, but without the extra viewing area at the top and bottom.
:lookaround:

I LOVE THIS PIRATES MOVIE!!! Sorry for shouting, but it is hard to express in text alone how great a time I had watching it. Every single minute of the movie I had a huge smile on my face. It was sooooo much fun! I saw the Hidden Mickey, and I think I caught all the references to the PotC attraction mentioned on the internet before the movie officially opened. I didn't try and read reviews of it before seeing it, though, because I wanted to be continually surprised in the movie. Not only was I surprised, and engrossed in the Pirate world, but I was continually delighted. I will not give anything away about the plot, though, because just like I didn't want anything spoiled by reading reviews of it, I don't want to spoil it for any of you. But I WILL stress that you go see the movie and I don't think you'll be disappointed (and I hope you'll be as delighted as I am with it).

Although, I'll condense the plot into one sentence, which won't give anything away: Sometimes with really bad eggs you can parlay it into a great omelette. Okay, so my cooking analogy isn't the best...
:D

That being said, I will not be bringing my 7 1/2 year old son to see it. He still closes his eyes during the FL version of PotC, so I know this version would be too thrilling for him. I'll make sure we get the DVD when it comes out so it will be waiting for him when he's reading to see it when he's older. :)  

Also, when the movie's closing credits appear, DO NOT LEAVE! Even though they go on and on (and it seems like they last for over 5 minutes, easy) wait for a special little treat when the last of the credits have rolled. In the theater I went to, the cleaning crew started coming in about 2 minutes into the credits, even wanting to get past me as I sat in my row (to which I politely let them know that the movie hadn't ended yet...). When the special treat at the end came up, they stopped cleaning (since this was the first show, they might not have seen any special showing of it ahead of time) and things quieted down as they watched, too. When it the ending bit was finished, I announced, "NOW it's over!", stood up and left the theater happily.
:pirate:

Posted by: RichKoster on July 10, 2003 9:29 am/pm

Yoo Hoo, Disney EchoEars!

NPR (National Public Radio) has an interesting take on the Pirates of the Caribbean movie...

Take a look at < NPR : Commentary: Pirates >.

:wwww:

Posted by: sorcererkev on July 11, 2003 5:37 am/pm

Went and saw POTC today---it was FAB!!! And we also saw the trailer of Haunted Mansion as well, which was just as good.........

.............but where was the hidden Mickey?  (I think) we caught all of the other in-jokes, but we missed the hidden Mickey and the very end of the film after the credits.  Can someone e-mail me with a spoiler?

--sorcerer kev

Posted by: Goofyteer on July 11, 2003 9:21 am/pm

:pirate: HARRRRR!!! :pirate:

I was suspicious of this movie. I admit it! But it was really a great movie! I loved it! And Depp stole the show as Captain Jack Sparrow! He was hilarious! And the whole audience roared over the inside jokes taken from the ride! You could easily tell who had been on the ride and who hadn't! LOL

I just hope Haunted Mansion is as good! I haven't seen the trailer for it yet. But I'm sort of worried because it stars Eddie Murphy and Murphy has been in too many movies I haven't liked lately. We'll have to wait and see I guess.

Posted by: Nadine on July 13, 2003 1:01 am/pm

This review is safe for all. I just got back from seeing Pirates of the Caribbean. This movie was absouluetly wonderful. Jonny Depp was brilliant.

I think I spotted the hidden Mickey, I'm not sure though.  

You were right about waiting for the credits to end. As I looked around the theatre after the movie had ended, I saw about five other groups of people waiting too. After the movie was completely over, credits and all, every one was talking about the surprise at the end.

Well, just wanted to let everyone know that this was a great movie and they should go see it.

Nadine

Posted by: RichKoster on July 13, 2003 10:30 am/pm



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Yoo Hoo, Nadine!

I'll tell you about one reported Hidden Mickey which my wife can verify as true (we saw the movie separately, with one of us "babysitting" our son while the other of us watched the movie, because he's too young for seeing it) and another one which I saw that I don't think other people have mentioned, so that one might just be my imagination.

The Hidden Mickeys in this message are hidden in the red box below

To read the hidden text, put your cursor here and then drag to the right and down while holding the left mouse button down.
As reported on mouseplanet (http://www.mouseplanet.com/more/mm030626lt.htm#hidden), in the movie's first nighttime scene, clouds part in front of a full moon and create a Mickey head very quickly before moving away. The Hidden Mickey I saw is in a scene in which a cannon is shooting a cannon ball at the camera and smoke rising from the cannon has a circular smoke cloud from the blast which grows two smaller circular smoke clouds to its upper right and upper left.

Pretty cool way I came up with to hide the spoiler, huh?
:eyebrow:

My wife Carol just brought up a good point: The previously-reported Hidden Mickey might be the same one I saw, but the reporter might not have remembered all the details like I did.

Posted by: RichKoster on July 15, 2003 10:41 am/pm

< The Pirates of the Caribbean -- The Curse of the Black Pearl Soundtrack >

BURBANK, Calif. -- On July 22, 2003, prepare to be blown out of the water with the release of Walt Disney Records' < The Pirates of the Caribbean -- The Curse of the Black Pearl Soundtrack >. Music composer Klaus Badelt and score producer Hans Zimmer set the mood for the highly-anticipated Walt Disney Pictures film with a score that echoes the turbulence of the high seas.

Klaus Badelt gained recognition in his native Germany for scoring dozens of films and commercials. In 1998, he accepted Oscar-winner Hans Zimmer's invitation to relocate to Santa Monica in order to work at Media Ventures. He has since collaborated with Zimmer on scores for Gladiator, The Thin Red Line, The Prince of Egypt, Mission: Impossible 2, Hannibal and Pearl Harbor. Badelt also has completed a variety of independent projects including K-19: The Widowmaker, The Recruit and Basic.

A cursed treasure leads to the adventure of a lifetime as producer Jerry Bruckheimer presents the epic spectacle The Pirates of the Caribbean, starring Johnny Depp, Geoffrey Rush, and Orlando Bloom ("The Lord of the Rings"). In the film, Captain Barbossa (Geoffrey Rush) and the pirates of The Black Pearl attack the town of Port Royal, and kidnap Elizabeth (Keira Knightly), the daughter of the governor! Will Turner (Orlando Bloom) -- desperately in love with Elizabeth, even though he's just a lowly blacksmith -- is determined to rescue her, but to do so, he must join forces with what he hates most: a pirate -- a charming but untrustworthy one -- by the name of Jack Sparrow (Johnny Depp). The film opened July 9 in theatres nationwide.

Track listing is as follows:
  • 1. Fog Bound
  • 2. Medallion Calls
  • 3. The Black Pearl
  • 4. Will and Elizabeth
  • 5. Swords Crossed
  • 6. Walk The Plank
  • 7. Barbossa Is Hungry
  • 8. Blood Ritual
  • 9. Moonlight Serenade
  • 10. To The Pirates' Cave!
  • 11. Skull and Crossbones
  • 12. Bootstrap's Bootstraps
  • 13. Underwater March
  • 14. One Last Shot
  • 15. He's A Pirate


< ships to retail outlets July 22, 2003, for a suggested CD retail price of $18.98

Order it today for $13.49 from Amazon.com and help the Disney Echo as you save $5.49!* >

Price subject to change and was correct at time of posting. See
Amazon.com for details.

Posted by: RichKoster on July 16, 2003 10:36 am/pm

As reported here, the tentative schedule has Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl released on Disney DVD & Video on December 2nd of this year.

And speaking of treasure, that's also the day that "wave 3" of Walt Disney Treasures DVD comes out.

:pirate:

Posted by: RichKoster on July 16, 2003 6:00 am/pm

Disney sets course for "Pirates" sequel

LOS ANGELES, July 16 -- The Walt Disney Co. has cleared the decks to launch a sequel to "Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl," after the movie struck box office treasure this past week, a studio spokeswoman said on Wednesday.

The spokeswoman said Disney's Nina Jacobson, president of the Buena Vista Motion Picture Group, is currently talking with writers Ted Elliot and Terry Rosso about story ideas and that a firm commitment to a sequel would depend on the script that is eventually developed.

But it should not be too hard to come up with ideas. In interviews last month to promote the film, Elliot told reporters he had plenty more material from which to draw.

"I've got two more stories to tell about (pirate captain) Jack Sparrow," Elliot said.

The movie, which was inspired by the Disney theme park ride "Pirates of the Caribbean," debuted to more than $46 million at U.S. and Canadian box offices last week, and pulled in a total of just over $70 million in its first five days.

The movie's cast, including Johnny Depp who portrays the fanciful and wily Sparrow, had agreed to make a sequel as part of their original contracts.

In interviews, Depp expressed a willingness to take part in a sequel and said making the movie was more than just fun.

"It was criminal. It was a blast," he said.

Other stars include Orlando Bloom as the young swordsmith named Will Turner whom Sparrow befriends, as well as Turner's love interest Elizabeth Swann, portrayed by Keira Knightley.

Geoffrey Rush played Sparrow's rival, Captain Barbossa.

< See complete story here. >

Posted by: RichKoster on July 16, 2003 7:53 am/pm

Normally I've not been happy with Disney sequels of late, but in this case if they put as much care into the sequel's story and have the same cast and crew as the original, I'm all for it!

:depp:



What do y'all think?

Posted by: WebTink on July 16, 2003 7:53 am/pm

ARRRRR--Capitalism be good!
Posted by: RichKoster on July 16, 2003 8:00 am/pm

Yoo Hoo, Disney EchoEars! ...or should that be Yo Ho, Disney BuccanEars!
:pirate:

At Walt Disney World, and I assume Disneyland too, guests are eager to see the movie that immortalizes one of their favorite rides, Pirates of the Caribben. And park guests who have seen the new film also want to experience the attraction that inspired the movie. Plus those who've seen the movie already want to ride the attraction again.

And everybody is pouring over the treasure of merchandise booty found in the Pirates shop at the exit to the attraction!

< Read the complete story. >

Posted by: RichKoster on July 16, 2003 8:04 am/pm

< The Hollywood Reporter has this story > about the sequel:

Dis sets sail on 'Pirates' sequel

Eager to unearth more buried treasure now that "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" raised its flag high at the boxoffice this past weekend, the Walt Disney Co. is already talking of setting sail on a sequel to the theme park ride-inspired feature. In anticipation of the film's success, Disney had already made sequel arrangements with such key cast members as Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley, as well as with the behind-the-scenes duo of producer Jerry Bruckheimer and director Gore Verbinski. And the studio has also begun talks with "Pirates" scribes Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio about drafting a sequel, though no specific story line has yet been set. Since its opening a week ago today, "Pirates" has earned more than $78 million, including a $46.6 million opening-weekend take easily won last weekend's boxoffice battle.

(If you're a Hollywood Reporter subscriber, and I'm not, < the story continues here... >)

Posted by: Liv2CdWorld on July 24, 2003 8:56 am/pm

I went to see it last night.  All I can say is

:clapping: BRAVO! BRAVO! :clapping:

Johnny Depp was fabulous!  

Yoo Hoo, Rich, I was also smiling the WHOLE time!!!  I too didn't ready ANYTHING regarding the movie so as not to spoil it!

However, I waited and waited for the credits to finish and alas, I left.  Therefore, I didn't see the true ending you mention.  I knew I'd regret leaving!

Can you PM me with what happened after the credits?

On another note, the trailer for Haunted Mansion looks great!  Can't wait until Nov. 26th now!  For those who haven't seen the trailer, go to the official website at www.haunted-mansion.com

OK Rich, I'm wiating for the ending :)

Posted by: RichKoster on July 24, 2003 12:10 am/pm



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Can you PM me with what happened after the credits?

OK Rich, I'm wiating for the ending :)
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Yoo Hoo, Beth!

Private messages are great, but I'm all into sharing with other Disney fans here.
:)

So, I'll use the hidden spoiler method again in this reply.

What happens in the Pirates of the Caribbean movie at the very end after the credits are over is hidden in the red box below

To read the hidden text, put your cursor here and then drag to the right and down while holding the left mouse button down.
The scene is inside the cave where all the treasure is. The monkey returns, looking for his master -- the pirate who died in the cave. He was also trained to find and return that treasure, so that's why he was drawn back to the place. Well, the monkey can't resist jumping up on the treasure and taking a piece of it, one of those cursed pirate medallions, shining in the moonlight through a hole up in the cave. Instantly he is turned into a living skeleton, then he rushes right toward the camera screaming, teeth bared. He gets so close he fills the screen, then it goes black, like he's just killed everyone watching in the audience. Very cool, and well worth waiting for!

Posted by: Liv2CdWorld on July 24, 2003 12:23 am/pm

Doh!  I'm kicking myself for not waiting!!  :depp:

I'm still grinning from ear to ear!

Posted by: RichKoster on July 24, 2003 12:42 am/pm



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Doh!  I'm kicking myself for not waiting!!  :depp:
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Well, there is a solution...

See it again!
:nod:

I've seen it twice so far, and still want to see it again.

Posted by: Liv2CdWorld on July 24, 2003 1:07 am/pm

well the thought HAS crossed my mind :biggrin:
Posted by: Liv2CdWorld on July 25, 2003 2:06 am/pm

OK Rich, I've been thinking about the ending.  Here's my question (using your color background strategy).



To read the hidden text, put your cursor here and then drag to the right and down while holding the left mouse button down.
If the monkey took a peice of the treasure again and turned into a skeleton again, does that mean all the remaining pirates turned into skeletons again too?  Hmmm

Posted by: RichKoster on July 25, 2003 2:35 am/pm

I can reply without the hidden trick because this doesn't give anything away.... The answer is No. Only those who steal the cursed treasure are cursed themselves. Now, if anyone is tempted to steal it again, well, reminds me of what they say in the Pirates attraction (paraphrasing):

You've seen the cursed treasure. Now ye knows too much. Warned, ye be!

And besides, we'll have to wait for the promised sequel to know for sure, not won't we?!
:pirate:

Posted by: Liv2CdWorld on July 25, 2003 5:10 am/pm

:nod:
Posted by: CarolKoster on Aug. 22, 2003 4:49 am/pm

Quoting from Box Office Mojo, their list of pirate genre movies and their UNadjusted for ticket price inflation gross domestic box office numbers, August 22, 2003 with figures from close of business August 21, 2003.  See special note about "Pirates of the Caribbean" and "Sinbad" at the end of this chart (figures for those movies are _dated_!!!;):

PIRATE
1980-Present

Rank
Title
Studio Total Gross / Theaters
Opening / Theaters
Date

1
Pirates of the Caribbean
Dis. $133,007,414
3,359
$46,630,690
3,269
7/9/03

2
Hook
TriS. $119,654,823
2,254
$13,522,535
2,197
12/13/91

3
The Goonies
WB $61,389,680
1,705
$9,105,913
1,705
6/7/85

4
Return to Never Land
Dis. $48,430,258
2,626
$11,889,631
2,605
2/15/02

5
Treasure Planet
Dis.. $38,176,783
3,227
$12,083,248
3,227
11/27/02

6
Muppet Treasure Island
Dis. $34,327,391
2,089
$7,906,689
2,070
2/16/96

7
The Princess Bride
Fox $30,857,814
803
$206,243
9
9/25/87

8
Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas
DW $23,425,641
3,086
$6,874,477
3,086
7/2/03

9
The Island
Uni. $15,716,828
-
$3,123,267
584
6/15/80

10
Cutthroat Island
MGM $10,017,322
1,619
$2,371,415
1,619
12/22/95

11
The Pirate Movie
Fox $7,983,086
757
$2,528,133
757
8/6/82

12
Yellowbeard
Ori. $4,300,000
761
$1,564,155
761
6/24/83

13
Nate and Hayes
Par. $1,963,756
925
$815,160
925
11/18/83

14
Pirates
Can. $1,641,825
1,108
$1,035,447
1,108
7/18/86

15
The Pirates of Penzance
Uni. $694,497
91
$255,496
91
2/18/83

Total: $531,975,018
Average: $35,465,001
(Pirates of the Caribbean and Sinbad grosses as of 7/20/03)

End of quoting Box Office Mojo chart.

The site hasn't updated the box office totals for "Pirates of the Caribbean:  Curse of the Black Pearl" and Dreamworks' 2003 animated feature film, "Sinbad" since July (see the end of the chart).  But quoting from Box Office Mojo Friday, August 22, 2003 and with figures as of close of business Thursday, August 21, substitute _these_ figures instead of what you see on this chart above:

Pirates of the Caribbean   $253,650,250
Sinbad  $25,960,604

And yes that is twenty-five million dollars, nearly twenty-six million really, for "Sinbad" and those numerals are not typos!

Posted by: WebTink on Aug. 22, 2003 5:37 am/pm

All I know is there must be something about this movie because my dd has seen it THREE times, and she's not a huge movie buff.  I'm not sure if it's Johnny Depp or Orlando Bloom she's got the crush on, but she's begging me to go see it with her!  

Ai yi yi!  Girls and their crushes!

:depp:

Posted by: CarolKoster on Aug. 22, 2003 10:00 am/pm

WebTink,

The only thing about PotC:CotBP that was familiar or even remotely appealing to me was the fact it was based on a famous and beloved Disney theme park attraction.  Given that "Country Bears" a year ago wasn't well-received and was also based on a Disney theme park attraction, and the made-for-TV-movie "Tower of Terror" was just-OK, I originally had low expectations about "Pirates".  I am the sort of person who enjoys reading or hearing movie reviews in advance of a movie release I might be interested in.  Reading around on other Disney fan WWW site discussion areas I began to hear "good buzz" about this movie.  Read the movie review site Rotten Tomatoes and still more good buzz, not totally stellar buzz, but good buzz.  I went, I saw, I loved it!  I don't know anything about the actors' past films, their personalities off-screen, who the heck Jerry Bruckheimer (sp?) is supposed to be, nuthin'.  All I knew was good word of mouth and this movie was based on a Disney theme park attraction.

This movie is like reading a really well-written adolescent novel about pirates.  You read, page after page, can't put it down.  Starts a little slowly, as novels do sometimes, but then you get caught up in it.  Chores have to be done, have to turn the light out and get some sleep sometime, awwwww, just another page or two more _then_ I'll do the chores, or _then_ when I finish this chapter I'll go to bed....Awww, just a page or two into this _next_ chapter, _then_ I'll put the book down finally....  You get the idea.  This movie has that sort of appeal.  It's got most, not all but most, every cliche about pirates and many subtle references to the Disney theme park ride in it.  In a slight spoiler, the movie bows a teeny bit to inclusiveness on the part of one of the ship's crews (Captain Jack Sparrow's) so there are plenty of "people who resemble us" in some way on Jack's crew for audience members to identify with.  It's light hearted.  It takes place on water and this summer in real life has been a scorcher, what fun to have than frolicking on a ship's crew on the seas, especially in the Caribbean.  There are witty lines, adult references, but nothing embarrassing.  Despite the obvious pirate cliches and Disney ride references, the movie incorporates these skillfully and you don't mind them in the slightest, it's like taking everything familiar but making it fresh again.  This movie also represents something new and fresh for the summer:  A period piece that doesn't take itself pretentiously or pompously, it's just fun to see and be at the flicks to see it.  

Go see it.  Afternoon matinees' don't cost much.  See it how the filmmaker intended, in a pleasant wide-screen theatre so you get the creative impact of it.  In a few more weeks, or less, you won't have that opportunity any more since the autumn crop of movies will crowd the summer films off-screen to home video.   Not a film for kiddies, though.  Enjoy.  

...and really bad eggs...  :depp:

Posted by: CarolKoster on Aug. 23, 2003 7:37 am/pm

P.S. to WebTink and anyone who still hasn't seen this movie yet:  Even though the closing credits last ten times forever, don't give up and leave the theatre until you see the truly closing scene of the movie at the end of the credits.  Stay, stay, STAY to the end of the credits.  It's long, lonely, dull, bring your lunch, bring your knitting, everyone else is leaving, the cleaning crews are coming in...stay through the end and don't give up!  If you enjoyed the movie, thought it was hooty, this scene is what will send you out of the theatre smiling.  Hang in there!  

Quasi on topic:  In recent films you'd think of as "Disney", such as "Finding Nemo", "PotC: CotBP" and "Spy Kids 3-D" this summer, it's getting to be a trend to stay through the end of the credits.  Some delightful or fun things happen either during the credits ("Finding Nemo", the "outtakes" in "Monsters, Inc.") or when the credits are totally over ("Pirates", "Spy Kids 3-D").  It's happening more and more frequently.  Check it out.  

One last thing:  Whatever Bruckheimer was instructed to do by his movie studio, he obviously did.  He delivered.  This film exceeded expectations, quickly dispelled misleading expectations, surprised everyone, which is likely what Disney wanted to have happen since the spectacular disappointment of both "Country Bears" and "Treasure Planet".

Posted by: dizneluver9 on Aug. 23, 2003 11:15 am/pm

WARNING THIS MIGHT HAVE A SMALL SPOILER IN IT.

POTC was the first Disney ride I ever rode...happened when I was nine months old and my parents took me to DL...the ride which was our first ride that day scared me so bad they said that I cried the rest of the day.  Now as an adult its one of my favorites :coolgrin:

My thoughts on the movie :)
:depp:   was great as Sparrow, Orlando Bloom has taken my heart! Cant wait to see him again in Lord of the Rings... :nod:

One of my favorite scenes was when the prisoners were trying to get the keys from the dog...just like the end of the ride...i laughed sooo hard :9

I can do with out seeing the lovely scene at the end of the credits though...he scared me :sniffle:

Not trying to rush the movie out of the theaters but does anybody know when they are thinking about putting it out on DVD...definately a must buy for me :D  :

Posted by: RichKoster on Aug. 23, 2003 12:49 am/pm



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Not trying to rush the movie out of the theaters but does anybody know when they are thinking about putting it out on DVD...definately a must buy for me :D  :
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Yes, 12/02/03.

Details here, including other upcoming Disney releases on DVD and video.

Posted by: CarolKoster on Aug. 25, 2003 12:10 am/pm

There's a WWW site for everything!

For info on continuity, factual, historical, script, "revealing" (means you see what it takes to make the movie accidently on camera, lights, microphones, etc.) and other errors this is a WWW site dedicated to that, this refers you to the "PotC: CotBP" film:

< http://www.moviemistakes.com/film.php?filmid=3372 >

Obvious cautionary tips:  If you haven't seen this movie yet, don't patronize this site, clearly spoilers there.  If you have seen the movie be aware there is nitpicking as to how the movie was made, leaps of logic, little errors here and there, that might spoil the magic of enjoying the movie for you.  With that said, there is a subset of movie fans, however, who love this sort of thing, usually people with a genuine love of cinema and the creative process.  You know who you are.  

If the link doesn't work, try cut-and-paste, and if that doesn't work just go to the part of the site up to the ".com" of the URL and try seeing if there's a way to search for "PotC: CotBP" once you're there.

Posted by: RichKoster on Aug. 25, 2003 12:39 am/pm

Yoo Hoo, Carol!

The link works. Gee, Captain Jack Sparrow wears contact lenses!
LOL

Posted by: CarolKoster on Aug. 25, 2003 1:19 am/pm

By comparison, "Finding Nemo" only has four errors, according to that WWW site's list.
Posted by: dizneluver9 on Aug. 30, 2003 12:44 am/pm

So which is the better film Pirates or Nemo??!?!?!?!?!! :)

Personally i liked both for different reasons :)

Posted by: CarolKoster on Aug. 30, 2003 10:29 am/pm



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So which is the better film Pirates or Nemo??!?!?!?!?!! :)

Personally i liked both for different reasons :)
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Easy to find out, at least statistically, from two WWW sites:  

www.rottentomatoes.com  A movie review compilation site of press and online movie critics.  Reviews are reduced to thumbnail quotes, then tallied.  Keep in mind as you read, below:  A film needs a 60% positive review ratio to qualify as "fresh", meaning mostly positive critic reviews.  The name of the site, Rotten Tomatoes, has to do with the desire to throw decayed produce at a movie screen if a movie is bad.

www.boxofficemojo.com  Box Office Mojo keeps tallies of box office receipts for mass-produced and distributed movies, including IMAX films.  It has comparative charts to compare some movies, franchises and genres to each other or for the year, all time, international, etc.

Quoting from Rotten Tomatoes:

"Finding Nemo" has 163 critic reviews compiled, of which 161 are positive reviews or "fresh" and only 2 are negative reviews or "rotten", for a fresh-to-rotten rating of 8.9/10 and 99% fresh.  Of their "Cream of the Crop" compilation of reviews (the more noteworthy critics) the rating is 8.8/10 and 100% fresh.

< http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/FindingNemo-1122673/ >

"Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl" has 164 critic reviews, fresh 127, rotten 37, for a rating of 7.1/10 or 77% fresh.  The "Cream of the Crop" critic review compilation has a rating of 6.4/10 or 65% fresh.  Tough critics out there!

< http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m....1123873 >

Or just go to the Rotten Tomatoes site and type in the name of the movie you want to research if above URLs don't work or are too long to cut and paste.  Notice capital letters, BTW.

Over at Box Office Mojo:

As of end of business Thursday, August 28, 2003 (the most recent dates available as I type this in):

"Finding Nemo" year to date domestic gross box office is $330,385,344; for the year 2003 so far is #1 at the box office, all time domestic gross box office UNadjusted for inflation is #8 and adjusted for inflation is #76; worldwide has made $391,100,000 as of August 24 most recent date available, ranks #57 on all time list world wide, has made $329.8 million in the US as of 8/24/03 on that chart and $61.3 million internationally as of 8/24/03.

"Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl" year to date domestic gross box office is $264,199,762; for the year 2003 so far is #3 at the box office, all time domestic gross box office UNadjusted for inflation is #21 and adjusted for inflation is not on that chart at that site; worldwide has made $367,100,000 as of August 24 most recent date available, ranks #66 on all time list world wide, has made $260.9 million in the US as of 8/24/03 on that chart and $106.2 million internationally as of 8/24/03.

"Nemo" is rated G, "Pirates" is rated PG-13, which will affect box office and who goes and who likes a given film.

"Nemo" is getting family and child-ticket admission business, maybe mostly matinee business when ticket prices are less costly.  So it's numbers stem, perhaps, from family repeat business, summer camps going on movie theatre field trips, etc.  It's positive reviews come from good script, excellent casting, excellent pacing of the story, the computer graphic (CG) animation is amazing and pushes new boundaries, Disney doesn't make G rated movies anymore except for "Pooh" derivatives (or so it seems), and audiences want something G-rated for their kids to see right off of getting out of school for the summer.  Audiences also caught on to the trend that Pixar is better at doing "Disney movies" than Disney has been in recent years and there is huge demand for well-made "Disneyesque" movies that are rated G.  

"Pirates" is for older and more mature members of the family audience.  Not everyone has ridden the attraction at any Disney theme park, but for those into period pieces, pirate or swashbuckling genres, "something new and different" at a summer box office, eye candy/fanship of Orlando Bloom, Keira Knightley or Johnny Depp, or Disney fans or fans of how CG animation is used, "Pirates" was likely a satisfying experience.  If you're not in one of those camps, it was a tougher sell which won over some and didn't win over others.  "Pirates" box office comes from those who came, liked/loved and couldn't get enough or wanted to pick through for details of plot, clever dialogue lines or how the movie was made.  "Nemo" has been out longer, of course, so it's box office totals are greater.

Subjectively, which is "better" in any individual's opinions is harder to quantify.  The two films appeal to different audiences.  But they do share certain characteristics.  Both are uplifting.  Both have color palettes (over all light/darkness and use of color) that are wide-ranging:  Means, to me, the mood is one of brightness and attractiveness, even in "Pirates" dark colors and lighting don't last long.  Both offer immediate familiarity with some aspect of knowing people without being annoyingly cliche' about it, you can identify with the personality types in both movies either from real life ("Nemo") or from the broad genre of pirate movies and book literature.  Both films have Walt's "wink" in them (his way to signal to audiences or those who ride the theme park attractions that this is all in fun, don't take it too seriously).  Neither one has a pop song attached to it that plays on the radio to drive soundtrack sales (some sites reviewing the "Pirates" soundtrack CD ooze gratitude to Klaus Badelt, Hans Zimmer and Jerry Bruckheimer for not doing that).  Both are connected to Disney in some way, of course let's face it "Finding Nemo" is a Pixar film, y'know.  Both have families in the audience, but one ("Nemo") is more likely to have a younger skewing age range than the other ("Pirates").  Both have credits that have goodies either in them ("Nemo") or after them ("Pirates"), continuing a trend that if you leave before the end of the credits you might miss something.  Both have tight scripts and are well-crafted cohesive movies, IMHO neither one "drags" along in any spots.  Both seem to have "legs" which means box office longevity and new/repeat viewings, the "Gotta see it!" aura that for one to be pop culturally aware and "hip" it's "necessary" to see one of these or both.  And both movies were adequately funded with quality experienced "up to the challenge" talent producing, directing, casting, etc., so the quality job was done right the first time.

So that's my take on your questions.  It's fun to discuss movies and what one likes or doesn't like about them and compare opinions.  I'd welcome a discussion.  If someone hasn't seen either movie yet, do beware of posting spoilers or do that cover-up trick of Rich's where you click on the box to see the spoiler info in the discussion.  Let's talk!

Posted by: CarolKoster on Aug. 30, 2003 11:33 am/pm

What I liked about "Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl":

It was detailed about the pop culture-movie aspects of pirates and dared not to be too politically correct or historically accurate about it.  It paid homage to that movie genre without being too repetitive or cliche', and when it did allude to cliches' it was in a fresh way.  It was humorous.  It paid homage to it's source material without relying so heavily on Disney theme park ride elements, so it had broader appeal.  The music is as much a part of the "cast" as the actors, served very well to underscore the action without dominating it.  Depp's portrayal keeps you guessing, is he sober, insane, "savvy", putting on an act to distract and fool others, how trustworthy is he _really_.  Orlando Bloom recreates that Errol Flynn homage.  Keira Knightley goes from damsel to in-command and back again.  Script is tight and well-written.  Film seems cohesive to me, I can't think of a part, really, that I would want altered or shortened even though the film does seem "long".  Geoffrey Rush is Best Supporting Actor Oscar material in his portrayal of Capt. Barbossa.  CG (computer graphics) is outstanding and amazing.  The pirates' teeth, amazing to see that make-up/prosthesis job (I still imagine, when I see this movie, what that character's breath must be like and as a small characterization 'flaw' why characters close to a pirate who is speaking "in their face" don't recoil due to what would have to be "trench mouth smell", probably too distracting for audiences, but still).  They spent the money, hired good people for it in all aspects of production and acting, did it "right" and delivered good product.  It doesn't take itself or its own script seriously, it's obvious they wanted to keep it light and fun.  It has Walt Disney's "wink" to it (it's all in fun, don't be scared of parts of it), is light-hearted like the Disney theme parks try to be.  Has numerous little Disney references in it, subtle, not just the theme park attraction it's based on either, such as the "hidden Mickey" and some other references.

Oscar nominations I'd like to see:  Best screenplay, best musical score, best supporting actor (Geoffrey Rush), best actor (Johnny Depp), best make-up, best special effects, best editting, best sound, best directing.    

Now, not every film is to everyone's taste.  It can be terrific box office and have stellar critical reviews and some people still simply don't find a given film to their taste or liking or appropriate.  That's OK.  Share your opinions!

PS:  "Pirates" daily box office take is falling to under $1 million per day and the number of times a day or number of screens it's playing at is starting to drop.  It and "Finding Nemo" will be gone from theatres soon.  If you've a mind to see "Pirates" for the first time or X-th time best see it soon, it won't be on home video for _months_.  Dittoes for "Finding Nemo".

Posted by: dizneluver9 on Aug. 30, 2003 3:25 am/pm

hey Carol!

What about that hottie Orlando Bloom :)  :clap:  :crazy: hehehehehehehe

Posted by: CarolKoster on Aug. 30, 2003 3:52 am/pm



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hey Carol!

What about that hottie Orlando Bloom :)  :clap:  :crazy: hehehehehehehe
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Quoting my post:  "Orlando Bloom recreates that Errol Flynn homage."  :coolgrin:

Here's a fan site of the late actor, Errol Flynn, well known for pirate/swashbuckling movies 1930s-1950s.  The image on the home page has Flynn starring as George Armstrong Custer and inside under "Filmography" you can click on hyperlinked titles that have additional photos and descriptions.  Look particularly at "Captain Blood" 1935 and "Charge of the Light Brigade" 1936, but look mainly at anything in the 1930s era.  This is when Flynn was in his 20s in age, similar I guess to Orlando Bloom's age.  Look at any image where Flynn has that pencil-thin moustache.  There's a good physical resemblance between Errol Flynn and Orlando Bloom's character Will Turner in "Pirates of the Caribbean", not a total resemblance but close in a lot of respects.

< http://www.errolflynn.net >
< http://www.errolflynn.net/Filmography/cb.htm >
< http://www.errolflynn.net/Filmography/brigade.htm >

There's lots of other films with Flynn in character holding a sword that will remind you of PofC: CotBP.  And get this:  Read down to the end of the description for "Captain Blood" and you see one of the seaside towns in the movie's plot was:  Port Royal!  (same as in PotC: CotBP)

Off-topic:  Flynn starred in a lot of movies with Olivia deHavilland (Mellie in "Gone With the Wind") and even starred in one with both deHavilland and Hattie McDaniel also of "Gone With the Wind" and Disney's "Song of the South".  Small world after all....

Posted by: RichKoster on Aug. 30, 2003 4:42 am/pm



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hey Carol!

What about that hottie Orlando Bloom :)  :clap:  :crazy: hehehehehehehe
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Quoting my post:  "Orlando Bloom recreates that Errol Flynn homage." :cool:

Here's a fan site of the late actor, Errol Flynn, well known for pirate/swashbuckling movies 1930s-1950s.  The image on the home page has Flynn starring as George Armstrong Custer and inside under "Filmography" you can click on hyperlinked titles that have additional photos and descriptions.  Look particularly at "Captain Blood" 1935 and "Charge of the Light Brigade" 1936, but look mainly at anything in the 1930s era.  This is when Flynn was in his 20s in age, similar I guess to Orlando Bloom's age.  Look at any image where Flynn has that pencil-thin moustache.  There's a good physical resemblance between Errol Flynn and Orlando Bloom, not a total resemblance but close in a lot of respects.

< http://www.errolflynn.net >
< http://www.errolflynn.net/Filmography/cb.htm >
< http://www.errolflynn.net/Filmography/brigade.htm >

There's lots of other films with Flynn in character holding a sword that will remind you of PofC: CotBP.  And get this:  Read down to the end of the description for "Captain Blood" and you see one of the seaside towns in the movie's plot was:  Port Royal!  (same as in PotC: CotBP)

Off-topic:  Flynn starred in a lot of movies with Olivia deHaviland (Mellie in "Gone With the Wind") and even starred inone with both dehaviland and Hattie McDaniel also of "Gone With the Wind" and Disney's "Song of the South".  Small world after all....

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Oh, go on. Tell her what you really think of him! :tounge:  :depp:
Posted by: CarolKoster on Aug. 30, 2003 5:11 am/pm



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Johnny Depp's Captain Jack Sparrow was a very complex character while Orlando Bloom's Will Turner was more straight forward.  I also liked Geoffrey Rush's Captain Barbossa.  I suppose all three actors are "hot" in their own ways.  Each actor turned in a fine performance individually and in ensemble, none of them miscast.  If you delve into film history, know Disney culture (about Pirates of the Caribbean attraction and the passion with which Walt Disney himself approached film projects he cared about, tweaking details here and there for example to make the story/picture better) and then you see PotC: CotBP more than once, it's striking how well integrated a lot of cultural elements are in this movie.  There was a lot of painstaking homework done.  And look at an article dated in early July 2003 on Jim Hill Media about how the filmmakers of "Pirates" went about making a better movie about a Disney theme park ride than how "The Country Bears" turned out to be.  One key decision was to find an Australian screenwriter who is an expert on pirates and have him draft a version of the screenplay.

< http://www.jimhillmedia.com >

And look in his article archives for around early July 2003 about PotC: CotBP.  Interesting stuff if it's true.

"Citizen Kane" PotC: CotBP isn't, but most films aren't trying to be.  It's simply good fun at the box office, which is what most films are trying to be.  It may not be everyone's cup of tea (or bottle of rum), but that's OK.  Plenty of other Hollywood films to go around.

Now:

For a sequel:  I would like to see, from the theme park attraction, "the hairy leg", the women's auction, the women chasing the men and the mayor being dipped in the town's water well and he's spitting out the water.  From the song "Yo Ho Yo Ho A Pirate's Life for Me" I'd like to see what the filmmakers could do with the lyric line "Aye but they're loved by their mommies and dads".  And, from the ride, it'd be very hooty if Captain Jack Sparrow found his way to New Orleans to hook up with Jean Lafitte.  There's a little blacksmith shop in the real French Quarter where Sparrow can slake his thirst and scheme in "savvy" ways.

Posted by: dizneluver9 on Aug. 30, 2003 5:27 am/pm

ok..i must have missed somethign Carol...waht does Orlando Bloom have to do with mr Flynn???? :rock:
Posted by: CarolKoster on Aug. 30, 2003 5:46 am/pm



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As suggested earlier, when you read up on your film history, such as history of pirate movies, PotC: CotBP is an _homage_ to that genre as well as being a pirate movie in it's own right.  As part of the history of pirate movies, Errol Flynn starred in a a lot of pirate/swashbuckling movies.  This is on one level of many with which to enjoy the nuances of what PotC: CotBP has to offer a wide film audience.  If you will click on the fan site I suggested, it will further refer you to pirate/swashbuckling movies of the 1930s-1940s.  You will see what I am attempting to point out (I apologize for apparently doing a poor job of it):  Errol Flynn and Orlando Bloom-as-Will-Turner have in common playing heroic romantic leads in adventure-pirate-swashbuckling movies.  They both have pencil-thin moustaches as facial characteristics.  Both wield swords, want to rescue damsels/leading ladies, engage in action and win the day.  Flynn in many of his movies and Bloom in PotC: CotBP are doing identical things, look identical with hair style, moustache just so, costuming, wielding swords, acting as action-adventure hero with a touch of rogue thrown in, romantic leading man.  Read, look, learn more.
Posted by: CarolKoster on Sep. 03, 2003 12:31 am/pm

PotC: CotBP is $4,753,271 of equalling Year To Date 2003 domestic box office for "The Matrix Reloaded".  Would make "Pirates" the #2 movie in the US in 2003, give Disney and Disney-Pixar the #1 and #2 box office champs so far this year.   In a non-holiday week, "Pirates" lately seems to be grossing between $700,000-$800,00/day and is still making in the $1 million/day range on weekends.  In our area the number of screens is dropping and number of showings per day is decreasing from 4 to 3, yet on Labor Day our theatre (we went to see it again! ) was sold out, in a larger size theatre, with a "live" audience laughing at all the jokes and clever lines _and_ more than just us waiting for all the credits to roll to see the Easter egg closing scene at the end.  "Pirates" on a national basis, at the pace it's been going even with fewer theatres and showings, might overtake "The Matrix Reloaded" within a week's time.  Break out the rum when it does! ;-)
Posted by: RichKoster on Sep. 03, 2003 4:36 am/pm

Yes, we saw it again -- and this time we even took our DS Michael to see it for his first time! We told him to shut his eyes if anything got too scary and he agreed to that if we'd bring him. Well, he never shut his eyes during the whole movie and thought it was great and hilarious. This from a boy who couldn't help but close his eyes during the PoC attraction this June at WDW. Plus, as soon as the movie ended he said he wants to see it again!

So I guess we'll all be helping out its box office receipts at least one more time.

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Posted by: RichKoster on Sep. 04, 2003 8:10 am/pm

Yoo Hoo, Disney EchoEars!

I've just posted details about the 2-disc DVD of "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" and you can see the details by clicking here.
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Posted by: RichKoster on Sep. 20, 2003 8:12 am/pm

Carol declared that Talk Like A Pirate Day was too short as just one day, so she extended it for the whole weekend!
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Aye, this be the place to talk like a pirate now... but if'n you be in search of landlubbers passin' themselves off as old salts, check out this scurvy section of th'Disney Echo, me hearties!

But beware... you are doomed to return to hence ye came... Anyone with a bellyful of pirate yammerin' or about the DVD treasures be welcome to reply right in this here thread. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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Posted by: CarolKoster on Sep. 21, 2003 8:31 am/pm

What I meant was: General talk like a pirate should STAY at the Talk Like a Pirate Day thread in the Off-Topic area, any quoting from the Disney movie "Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl" should go here in the pre-existing thread in Live Action Disney movies about that movie.
Posted by: CarolKoster on Sep. 21, 2003 8:41 am/pm

So now we're quoting lines that we liked from the Disney movie "Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl".  What struck you as memorable or funny or clever that a character in that movie said?  WARNING-SPOILER ALERT:  If you haven't seen this movie yet and intend to while it's still in theatres or want to wait 'til the DVD release December 2, 2003 to see it, be forewarned that by it's nature this part of movie discussion will contain spoilers.  Up above somewhere in this thread and in the Off-Topic area's thread Talk Like A Pirate Day Rich posted a link to some places online with drafts of the movie script, you can also find discussions on Laughing Place and Mouse Planet where the movie's fans are quoting dialogue.  

Captain Barbossa to Elizabeth Swann:  "I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request.  Means 'no'."

Captain Barbossa to Elizabeth:  "You'd best start believin' in ghost stories, Miss Turner, you're in one."  

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Posted by: RichKoster on Sep. 21, 2003 4:24 am/pm



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What I meant was:  General talk like a pirate should STAY at the Talk Like a Pirate Day thread in the Off-Topic area, any quoting from the Disney movie "Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl" should go here the pre-existing thread in Live Action Disney movies about that movie.
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Okay, okay - - I misunderstood. I agree. I've reopened the Talk Like A Pirate thread again -- go there to have fun pretending to be a salty old pie-rat. And stay here and reply if you have quotes you love from the movie and (upcoming) DVD or to review it.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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Posted by: RichKoster on Oct. 28, 2003 9:09 am/pm

Pirates of the Caribbean DVD Special Features

DVDFanatic details some of the special features to be included on the DVD of Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl.

< Details. >

Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 05, 2003 10:50 am/pm

Coming to this news late, but better late than never, quoting from Yahoo! Movies site:

10/23/03) There's no script yet, but "Variety" is now reporting that Disney and Jerry Bruckheimer may develop both the second and third movies to be filmed back-to-back, as was recently done with the two 'Matrix' sequels. In addition to getting the third movie in theaters a lot faster, this approach is also a great way to save money on the production costs. I also wonder if this might be a smart move since Keira Knightley and Orlando Bloom are both on such rocketing career paths. If "Pirates of the Caribbean 3" isn't greenlit fast enough, they might no longer be reasonably affordable when that time comes around. Planning the sequels this way also allows Disney to craft a trilogy rather than a series of oddly-disconnected extensions of the original story (as some sequels sometimes feel).

End of quoted material about PotC sequels.

Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 06, 2003 2:15 am/pm

Happened to see a TV trailer for this film today, it's 1/3 a Miramax film, 1/3 a Universal Studios film and 1/3 a 20th Century Fox film and the fine print says the ownership is actually 20th Century Fox.  It caught me in tht the muisic as used on the TV trailer sounded very similar to PotC's movie music.  Anyway, the film is called "Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World" starring Russell Crowe as (get this) Captain Jack Aubrey ("Captain Jack", now where have we heard that before....?  ).  It's maybe not a pirate film, but if folks liked the seafaring ways of "Pirates of the Caribbean:  The Curse of the Black Pearl" I wonder how they'll take to this entry in the seafaring/swashbuckling sort of genre?  It's also rated PG-13 as "Pirates" was and opens in theatres November 2003.  If you want to see how similar it looks to "Pirates", go to the site < "Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World" >.
"Pirates" is more lighthearted, "Master and Commander" seems much more dramatic, and both star major Hollywood box office drawing actors, among other similarities.

Movie competition is sure out there, and this movie opens in theatres 18 days before "Pirates" goes to DVD and home video.  How do you think it will do vs. "Pirates"?

Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 13, 2003 3:15 am/pm

As "Master and Commander" opens in theatres Friday, November 14, 2003, it might be fun to compare how that movie by Fox does vs. "Pirates of the Caribbean".  Keep in mind although M&C is owned by 20th Century Fox, Universal Studios and Miramax (a film division of Disney) are major investors in it.  So Disney fans have some reason to follow this movie other than the coincidence M&C and Pirates are both considered swashbuckler movies.

"Pirates of the Caribbean" opened on a Wednesday during the summer, July 9, 2003.  On it's opening day in 3,023 theatres it made $13,509,262.  On Pirates' first Friday-Saturday-Sunday of opening week, July 11, 12 and 13, 2003, it grossed at the US box office $46,630,690 at 3,269 theatres.  As of Monday, November 10 it is still playing on weekends here and there in the US, and as of Monday November 10, 2003 it made in domestic gross box office $302,692,000, estimated, and played in theatres in the US for 115 days.

You can check at Box Office Mojo for how "Master and Commander" does.  You can also track it on two specialized charts, for Pirates and for Swashbuckler, just go to the left hand column and click "Genres" and go to those two categories to track the movie and how it fares against those of a similar subject.

Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 16, 2003 6:00 am/pm

Update on "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" the Disney movie vs. "Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World" owned by 20th Century Fox, in which Disney film division Miramax has investment stake and both movies are "swashbucklers".  The information for "Master and Commander" are estimated for its opening weekend, final figures due Monday afternoon November 17, 2003 on Box Office Mojo (www.boxofficemojo.com):

Pirates opened on a Wednesday (July 9, 2003) on 3,023 movie screens in the U.S.  On opening day it grossed $13,509, 262.  On Pirates' first Friday-Saturday-Sunday after opening it played on 3,269 screens and grossed $46,630,690.  It's production budget was $140,000,000 and marketing costs are estimated to be $40,000,000.  As of November 13, 2003 Pirates has grossed in the U.S. $302,977,271 (and yes it's still playing in US theatres somewhere! ) and has been in domestic theatres for 128 days.  It's rated PG-13.  After Pirates' opening weekend it was ranked #1 at the US domestic box office.

Master and Commander opened on Friday November 14, 2003 on 3,101 screens.  On its opening day it grossed in the U.S. $8,200,000.  After its opening Friday-Saturday-Sunday it grossed in the U.S. $25,725,000 and ranks #2 at the U.S. domestic box office (#1 is "Elf" this weekend) .  It's production budget is $170,000,000 and estimated marketing costs $30,000,000.

So far, it's looking like "Pirates of the Caribbean" is the more successful of the two movies as we head into the busy holiday movie season.
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Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 21, 2003 9:07 am/pm

Look around at the retailers offering "Pirates" for sale, look for any little extras there may be.  At Wal-Mart they are offering a free pirate medallion "while supplies last" along with the home video.  The "catch" is that you can get the medallion at 12:01 am Tuesday December 2 or at 6 am on Tuesday December 2.   That's right, either set your alarm clock for very early Tuesday morning, or else just stay up late Monday night and head in to Wal-Mart for that free pirate medallion.  OK.  The other little thing to look for is a voucher inside the "Pirates" case for a ticket to see "Haunted Mansion" movie.  I just saw the placards up at our local Wal-Mart today.  If anyone is out and about this weekend check around for various video retailers and whether they are offering any particular incentives to buy "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" on Tuesday, December 2.  Either general incentives or particularly to entice the consumer to buy, from them, on that one date.  And what are the prices the VHS/DVD seems to be costing in your area or favorite video retailer?  Feel free to post this info, help out others who may be interested.
Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 23, 2003 8:19 am/pm

Glowing review of the Pirates DVD on BBCi in Great Britain.  The lucky ones in Great Britain get to buy the DVD starting December 1, 2003!

< http://www.bbc.co.uk/films....w.shtml >

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Posted by: RichKoster on Nov. 24, 2003 2:54 am/pm

Besides being a glowing review of the DVD it is a great preview for us about what goodies we'll get to explore on it soon here in the states!
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Posted by: RichKoster on Nov. 27, 2003 3:15 am/pm

Midnight Madness 'Sail' in Key West to Kick Off the Highly Anticipated December 2 DVDVHS Release Of 'PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: THE CURSE OF THE BLACK PEARL'

CURSED GHOST SHIP BRINGS FIRST DVD TO NOTORIOUS PIRATE HIDEOUT


'Pirates In Paradise Festival' Revelers Will Be the First to Purchase The Movie at Midnight on the First Ever Floating Video Store!

WHAT:Avast Mateys!Ye be warned.Disney's PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN:THE CURSE OF THE BLACK PEARL will invade the 10th annual "Pirates In Paradise Festival" in Key West, Florida on Monday, December 1st to launch the highly-anticipated DVD/VHS release. Among breathtaking aerial "pyrate-technics," shiver your timbers cannon fire and a spectacular piratical battle aboard a magnificent tall ship, pirates will deliver a treasure trove of the first DVD's to the Caribbean hamlet, kicking off a nationwide "Midnight Madness Sail."

Landlubbers who dare to walk the plank and board the haunted vessel will be the first to purchase the DVD as the cursed ship is transformed into a Target® store at sea. Only the PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: THE CURSE OF THE BLACK PEARL DVD will be available for sale on the boat.

WHY:To mark the December 2 DVD/VHS release of Walt Disney Home Entertainment's PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: CURSE OF THE BLACK PEARL starring Johnny Depp, Geoffrey Rush, Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley

WHO:Key West Mayor Jimmy Weekley and Walt Disney Home Entertainment President Bob Chapek join pirates, wenches, buccaneers, drivel swiggers, powder monkeys, bilge rats, rum runners, and scurvy dogs.

WHERE:Pirates In Paradise Festival -- Mallory Square, Key West, Florida

WHEN:Monday, December 1, 2003
Two Hours Nigh Midnight (10:00 PM): Pirate Festival Begins in
Mallory Square
Quarter Nigh Pirate Hour (10:45 PM): The Black Pearl Arrival
At the Stroke of Midnight: Midnight Madness "Sail" Begins

Source: Buena Vista Home Entertainment

:depp:  :pirate:  :deadpirate:

Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 27, 2003 9:13 am/pm

The TV ad campaign has begun!  Look for the ads on lots of TV broadcast and cable/satellite channels.

See earlier post about getting the special pirate medallion coin at Wal-Mart on Dec. 2.  You have to go to the electronics department to get the coin.  Cross your fingers the folks on staff that night (at one minute after midnight on Dec. 2, means going there Monday night very late and watching the sweep second hand of your watch to after midnight, yawn) or that morning (at 6 am) have a clue and the coins.

Inside the Pirates case (at least according to ad placards at Wal-Mart) is a voucher to see Haunted Mansion movie.

Posted by: RichKoster on Nov. 27, 2003 11:42 am/pm

Perhaps ye knows too much!  Ye've seen the cursed treasure, ye knows where it be hidden... Now proceed at your own risk!  These be the last friendly words ye'll hear!  Ye may not survive to pass this way again!

:deadpirate:

Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 27, 2003 4:45 am/pm

Y'know, when you read through that press release about the Pirate festival in Key West where Pirates of the Caribbean's DVD/home video will be premiered...when you read through that release it says there will be a pirate ship on which you can buy the first home videos of that title, but from Target.  So I got to thinking.  I went over to Target's WWW site, and then to Wal-Mart's.  No special offers or perks at either WWW site.  Yet when I go into Wal-Mart where I live they have placards up about the free pirate coin being given away if you go to the Wal-Mart electronics department for it at 12:01 am Dec. 2.  Nothing about a free coin at the Wal-Mart WWW site.  So my point here is that you may have to personally visit your favorite brick-and-mortar home video/DVD retailer between now and Dec. 2 to learn whether any special perks or incentives are being offered to entice purchasing that movie from them vs. from someone else.  A crowded exhausting kind of a weekend ahead for that type of pre-shopping inquiry, I know.  But I thought I'd put some of you heads up, in case it matters to you whether you get a special collectable pirate coin or special anything along with the home video, or not.
Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 29, 2003 7:16 am/pm

If you buy pre-sale for PotC: CotBP from Toys R Us, I've read at Laughing Place that you get a free poster.

Sunday November 30, 2003 newspaper ads (inserts and ads in the paper) should have pricing, etc. about PotC coming to home video in the US on Tuesday, December 2.

Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 30, 2003 8:16 am/pm

Tower Records, limited availability:  Keychain with the Aztec cursed gold coin from the movie.
Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 30, 2003 8:47 am/pm

UltimateDisney.com's home page describes one of the features of the Pirates DVD:  On the DVD-ROM (computer software) part, you can turn anyone's photograph into a ghostly pirate in the moonlight from the movie!  It also describes where some of the "deals" for buying Pirates cheapest can be found, quoting:

Coming Tuesday...

Pirates of the Caribbean:
Curse of the Black Pearl
2-Disc Collector's Edition
-  BestBuy.com ($15.99)
(with Free Shipping
or In-Store Pickup)
- Half.com  ($15.00)
($10.00 with coupon HOHOHO)
- Amazon.com ($17.99)
- Overstock.com  ($16.99)
(with $1.00 shipping)
- Buy.com  ($17.98 )

End of quoted material.

If you are willing to trade-in an old title DVD of yours, you can buy PotC at Blockbuster Video for $12.99 but you must bring a trade-in for that price.  Otherwise at Blockbuster you can buy PotC and get 7 free rentals.

Up above, at Half.com use the code HOHOHO on the site to get a $5-off coupon, to make the price of PotC $10.

I think Wal-Mart will have the title on opening day or first week at $17.98, and if you go at 12:01 am or 6 am you get the free pirate coin with it while supplies last in the electronics department 12/2/03 only.

Posted by: RichKoster on Dec. 02, 2003 4:03 am/pm

(I also posted this in its own thread in the Disney DVD forum)

Cursed Treasure: Wal-Mart lost my Pirates

Arrrrrrrrrrrr!

I was at Wal-Mart 1 1/2 hours before midnight, there to make sure I'd get my Pirates of the Caribbean DVD complete with an "Aztec gold" coin as promised on posters they've had displayed in the store for a week. It was billed as "quantities limited" and only available started at 12:01 am today until 6 a.m., so I was there early to make sure I got mine.

Midnight rolled around and they had no idea where the coins were.
:angry:

They searched and searched, but turned up nothing. This was in the Covington, Louisiana Wal-Mart. At 12:10 am I asked if they could please call the Wal-Mart in Slidell, LA for me to ask if they had the coins there, because it is only a twenty minute drive from there and I'd simply drive there to get mine if they had it.

After waiting and waiting, they finally called the Slidell store and guess what? The Slidell store knew nothing about the promotion, and hadn't even gotten the posters about it. No, they didn't have any coins either.

So, I've seen the cursed treasure on the poster, and perhaps I knows too much -- cause I wanted that coin! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
:pirate:

But, at least I do have my "treasure" in the great two-disk DVD set of "Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl." If you'll excuse me, I intended to drown me sorrows with some grog and warm up my ol' DVD player. There be swashbucklin' ahead, maties!
:depp:

And lookee here... I've already found footage on the DVD from the Disneyland version of PoC plus a deleted scene from the movie that has the mayor being dunked into the well and coming up with a stream of water spurting out of his mouth!
:barf:
(Okay, so that's not water in the MickEmoticon... but it is the closest I've got! )

Posted by: RichKoster on Dec. 02, 2003 11:02 am/pm

Aye, but there's a happy ending, me maties... After all, this does involve a Disney movie, now doesn't it?
:wave:

So, back to last night... By the time it got to be 12:30 am it truly was cursed treasure -- I was cursing under my breath.
;)
After the clerk found out that the other Wal-Mart not only didn't have the coin but hadn't heard anything about the promotion (and hadn't even gotten the poster with the news of it), I and the other customers waiting for our cursed treasure were told to go ahead and buy the DVD at that time (it was 12:30 am) and then call at 7 am when the daytime manager would be in, who would most likely be able to tell us that by then they had found the treasure and we'd be able to come in with our receipt and pick up our bounty.

So, this morning I called, as instructed, and reached the store manager. It turned out not to be the daytime manager, but the nighttime one still on duty -- but no matter. He told me they had found the coins and that I could come in that morning and claim what was rightfully mine.

In a flash I was off! After making my way through the empty sea of asphalt (the nearly-empty Wal-Mart parking lot), I swaggered in, on a mission to retrieve my hidden treasure. Returning to the lair of electronics, I found a bonny lass standing next to the money box. Straight-away, I spied the booty I was after: she had next to her 3 small pirate loot bags, each with a cursed coin concealed within. She cheerfully surrendered one to me, which brought a smile to my old mug at last.

Aye, matie, I finally got my treasure!
:depp:

Posted by: RichKoster on Dec. 02, 2003 11:03 am/pm

But I be willin' to share, I be!

Here's what the Aztec gold looks like:



And the other side:



Yo ho!  :pirate:

Posted by: RichKoster on Dec. 02, 2003 11:04 am/pm

Beware, before you go in search of your own cursed treasure... It seems to have a strange effect on me:









And I should have kept it out of reach of my mate's hands, because she's come under the treasure's spell as well:









:depp:

Posted by: CarolKoster on Dec. 02, 2003 3:37 am/pm

IMHO/YMMV :)

The DVD ROCKS!!!!  :thumbsup:  As Chip said towards the end of the animated "Beauty and the Beast":  "You folks gotta try this!"

My only critique so far:  Someone please give Johnny Depp some coffee for his audio commentary, IMHO he sounds like he's on the brink of falling asleep.

Otherwise:  If you get it for yourself as a treat for now or for someone for year-end holiday gift giving, it's a good DVD!  

Price on premiere day at Wal-Mart: $15.87

Anyone else buy this, or rent it?  Are you waiting 'til the holidays to open it, or are you watching it now?  What do you think?  Is the movie, etc., only so-so, sucks, terrific, or somewhere in between?  Are you buying or renting it for yourself, or as gifts for others?  Opinions?  Reactions?  Thoughts?  Post here!  

:depp:   :depp:  :depp:  :depp:  :depp:  :depp:  :depp:

Posted by: RichKoster on Dec. 03, 2003 9:04 am/pm

Buena Vista Pirates of the Caribbean DVD Launch Party


Midnight Madness 'Sail' in Key West Kicks Off DVD & VHS Release of "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl"

Robert Chapek,center left, president of Buena Vista Home Entertainment, and Key West mayor Jimmy Weekley, center right, celebrated with "Pirates in Paradise" wenches, buccaneers and scurvy dogs during the DVD launch of the PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: THE CURSE OF THE BLACK PEARL. A magnificent tall ship transformed into the infamous cursed 'Black Pearl,' launched the DVD with a "Midnight Sail" into the historic pirate hide-out on December 2, 2003. Photo: Rob O'Neal




A magnificent tall ship was transformed into the infamous cursed 'Black Pearl,' launching the DVD with a "Midnight Sail" into the historic pirate hide-out. Photo: Rob O'Neal




Buena Vista Home Entertainment celebrates with "Pirates in Paradise" wenches, buccaneers and scurvy dogs. Photo: Rob O'Neal




Robert Chapek, left, president of Buena Vista Home Entertainment, and Key West mayor Jimmy Weekley celebrated. Photo: Rob O'Neal




Wenches, buccaneers and scurvy dogs also celebrated. Photo: Rob O'Neal




Is that a Hidden Mickey in the fireworks? Photo: Rob O'Neal

Copyright 2003: THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY.

Posted by: CarolKoster on Dec. 04, 2003 6:29 am/pm

According to E! Online, DVD/home video sales for "Pirates" were 4+ million units in the first 24 hours Dec. 2, 2003.  No other statistics or information available.
Posted by: CarolKoster on Dec. 06, 2003 9:23 am/pm

Anyone else noticing this (possible spoilers):  

On the "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" DVD there is a DVD-ROM element where you can plop either of the DVDs into your computer and do some stuff.  One of the things you can do is experience the Disneyland attraction "Pirates of the Caribbean" with 360-degree views. OK.  There are hot spots you can click and highlight and some of these actually seem to advance you in the ride.  

So I went through all of this and am lovin' it so far.

But when I want to advance in the ride, and when I click the outer frame to do so, nothing happens at the top of the frame.  So, if I start the experience at 6 pm on the bottom of the frame, and move counter-clockwise towards Noon, clicking on images and advancing in the ride, and then I get to Noon and click that image and nothing happens.  Then I advance clounter-clockwise to the upper left corner, click that, and it refers me back to the opening of the ride.  When I start at 6 pm and move clockwise I get the same progression.  Not all the ride is there.  

In short it seems that only part of the attraction at Disneyland
is on the DVD-ROM, up to the ship attacking the fort.  After that the DVD-ROM keeps referring you back to the beginning.

Is that all anyone else has on their DVD-ROM?  Is that all that's meant to be there?  Or did the programmers forget to include more?

Simply curious and wanting to network around for answers,
thanks in advance.

Posted by: CarolKoster on Dec. 08, 2003 11:54 am/pm

From WWW site DVD Easter Eggs.com here are some Easter eggs on the "Pirates" DVD as of 12/8/03 for the US version of the DVD, quoting selectively:

3 Eggs
Submitted on 12/2/2003 by Matt Grammatico
Disc 2 Main Menu

1. Select 'Fly on the Set': Highlight 'Play All' and press right twice to highlight the skeleton's tooth. Press enter to watch "Pirates Cave Construction".

2. Select 'Below Deck': Highlight 'Set Sail' and press left twice to highlight the skull. Press enter to watch a computer animation of the chase scene without voices.

3. Select "Moonlight Serenade" Scene Progression: Highlight 'Main Menu' and press down twice to highlight another skeleton's tooth. Press enter to watch a Keith Richards interview.

One more!
Comment by Carlos on Dec 5th, 2003 10:13 PM
Go to "Bellow Dec menu"
to the second page of the scene index,(the one with the skeleton hand.

-highlight "pirate ships" and press left once, the ring in the skeleton hand will be highlighted, its the JAPANESE TRAILER!! which is neat.

R2
Comment by Ben on Dec 4th, 2003 5:50 PM
These work on the Region 2 version as well.

End of quoted material.

Posted by: CarolKoster on Dec. 08, 2003 12:32 am/pm

On WWW site Ultimate Disney.com someone in their discussion forum mentions in USA Today there is a printed interview with Orlando Bloom who is on tour promoting "Lord of the Rings: Return of the King" opening next week.  Anyway, a brief phrase in that interview mentions Orlando Bloom will start shooting the "Pirates" sequel in January 2005.  Yes, that's 200_5_, as I post this more than a year away.  The post was dated 12/6/03, so it may have been a USA Today from the week of December 1-5, 2003.  But the point here is that a date for the start of filming of the "Pirates" sequels (earlier press release stated sequels 1 and 2 would be shot back-to-back) seems to be a known thing now.  They were shooting the original "Pirates" in late 2002 and into the spring of 2003, means the start of filming of the sequels will be between 2-3 years later, the actors will have matured in their looks in that time, but it also gives the writers a chance to take their time and do what we all hope will be a great job on the screenplay and storyboards.

Slight update:  Ultimate Disney.com folks think "Pirates II" if this is in fact the shooting schedule would maybe be released as a Summer 2006 movie, maybe in July 2006 like "Pirates I" was.  No one knows for sure, however, so basically the main tidbit here is that Orlando Bloom interview snippet from USA Today last week.

Posted by: RichKoster on Dec. 12, 2003 3:08 am/pm

'Pirates' Takes $19.5 Million in Rental Booty

Quick quote:
LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Not only was "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" the Week 1 record-breaker for combined DVD and VHS sales, topping 11 million units sold through to consumers and rental chains, but Disney's live-action swashbuckler earned $19.5 million during its first five days on rental shelves, according to studio executives and Video Store magazine rental data.

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