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Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 11, 2003 5:34 am/pm

I just read this on Laughing Place's Animation discussion forum.  The Wave 3 of the Disney Treasures DVD/VHS collection of vintage Disney cartoons and live action...the ones that come in the metal tins...has been delayed.  They were going to be released December 2, 2003.  New date will be May 2004.  Reasons include production issues:  Demand from pre-orders exceeding the number Disney wanted to have made, demand for "Finding Nemo" and "Pirates of the Caribbean" titles overwhelming.  Someone who knows his stuff on Laughing Place is looking into the matter now.  News came on Monday, November 10.  The delayed titles include Tomorrowland, the World War II cartoons and work Disney did for the Defense Department, color Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.
Posted by: RichKoster on Nov. 11, 2003 7:47 am/pm



Yes, it is true. All details about the Disney Treasures Wave 3 DVDs has been temporarily removed from the Buena Vista Home Entertainment publicity site, except for this banner and a link to the public website (< here's the link > to Disney's information about the wartime Disney material).

The official public BVHE website only lists Spring 2004 as the new release date of Wave 3. There is still a link to order each one online there, but when you click on it to order you get this message: "We're sorry. This item is currently unavailable."

Amazon.com hasn't reacted to the news yet, because their website still lists these as coming out on December 2, 2003.

I predict there will be a lot more Pirates of the Caribbean DVDs given out as Christmas gifts to make up for the delay in these DVDs coming out on time!

Carol says "Yeah, just put a pair of mouse ears or duck bill on the DVD and the gift recipient will never notice the difference... until they start viewing the video."  :eyebrow:

So, you don't think they'll be "savvy" huh?  :depp:

Posted by: RichKoster on Nov. 12, 2003 9:53 am/pm

Well, Amazon.com has now changed their listings for each of the Disney Treasures Wave 3 DVDs to show the new release date of May 4, 2004... but now the price on each one of them has gone up from their previously-listed price of $23 to the new price of $28.04!
:evilsmile:

Posted by: RichKoster on Nov. 12, 2003 10:12 am/pm

Carol found information that anyone who wants to complain about the delay of these DVDs can email Disney
at disneyinfo@disneyhelp.com and that word about this email address came from a Disney Store CM.

Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 12, 2003 11:49 am/pm

OK, I've read through UltimateDisney.com (Disney home video fan site) and their discussion board Subject: about the delay of Wave 3.  They link to other animation and home video WWW sites.  Some have sources to Leonard Maltin (film writer and critic) and Jeff Beck (an animation historian) who both confirm the delayed release.  The causes as discussed at Ultimate Disney and the links they post to other home video and animation forums are the heavy demand on DVD manufacturing facilities to keep up with consumer demand on pre-orders, the huge sales/pre-sales so far for such titles as Finding Nemo, Pirates of the Caribbean, Freaky Friday, The Lion King, and that on eBay the "going rate" prices for some of these titles in the Wave 3 are running very high meaning pent up demand for too little product.  In other words, Disney may have seriously underestimated how many VHSs/DVDs to have made of all these titles and the factory(ies) Disney uses can't keep up.  When you cruise around to other Disney/animation/home video WWW sites with discussion boards there is unanimously the wailing and gnashing of teeth, particularly among those who pre-ordered at least one if not more for themselves and for gift-giving for the Holidays.  Disney is having a banner year in movies and home video releases and the demand is huge for product.

The run for each title will be increased.  However with the way people generally are talking on these boards, you may have to decide for yourself soon whether to also pre-order to ensure you get your Wave 3 titles rather than relying on walking into your favorite video retailer and "assuming" the Wave 3 titles you want will be on the shelf.  I would recommend cruising around the various Disney sites such as Laughing Place (animation discussion forum), Mouse Planet (entertainment discussion forum), Ultimate Disney's discussion forum, wade through the wailing and gnashing of teeth posts, click on any factual links that are posted and make any decisions about waiting or pre-ordering that you feel you have to make.  

On Ultimate Disney they are saying the new shipping date of Wave 3 videos is May 10, 2004 on Amazon.com.  If you pre-ordered you might want to contact who you pre-ordered from to clarify the situation for yourself.  If you pre-ordered you may have done yourself some favors in that you locked in a certain price ahead of future price increases due to actual or perceived shortages or difficult availability of titles, and that you are more assured of actually getting a copy if demand in May 2004 exceeds demand today.  

Let the buyer be aware duly diligent and do his or her own research on this matter.

Posted by: RichKoster on Nov. 12, 2003 2:12 am/pm



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On Ultimate Disney they are saying the new shipping date of Wave 3 videos is May 10, 2004 on Amazon.com.
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Well, when you < click here > and then check each DVD you'll see that Amazon is now saying that they will be released on May 4th.

Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 12, 2003 4:33 am/pm

People probably saw what they saw on Amazon.com regarding shipping dates in May 2004 and posted what they saw/heard.  Whatever.  Bottom line is:  After surfing to various WWW sites the news of this delay came out on November 7th and started being confirmed on November 10th.  News spread but maybe due to the sudden and not-too-public way this went out to the public various home video pre-sellers didn't get the word to change their sites or inform their customes until at least Saturday or Monday.  People are still learning about this news for the first time on various Internet video/Disney sites.  Folks aren't too happy.  But if it means more supply for these particular titles so be it, I guess, but it just seems that Disney or the retailers could have informed their consumers in a more humane way.
Posted by: RichKoster on Nov. 13, 2003 12:01 am/pm

Sure does seem to be a whole lot of things being put off by Disney until April and May lately, iddn't there?
:glare:

Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 13, 2003 2:35 am/pm



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Sure does seem to be a whole lot of things being put off by Disney until April and May lately, iddn't there?
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Yeah, and it's a thought I came up with after I noticed "Home on the Range" wasn't going to premiere 'til April and that's the same month "The Alamo" got delayed to.  It's almost as if all this were being planned!   :idea:  On one of the above mentioned Internet discussion boards the point was brought out that "Hildalgo" was also postponed from October 2003 to Spring 2004 for movie theatres, "Hidalgo" being one of Disney motion picture divisions' work.  Disney's fiscal year starts October 1, which makes April 1 their fiscal 3rd Quarter.  Disney might be planning to bunch together as much money-making stuff as they can muster due to expected stiff competition that same quarter.
Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 13, 2003 2:55 am/pm

Someone on Laughing Place posted that May 18 is the new Wave 3 release date.  I went to Ultimate Disney and there are no postings confirming that date.  I went to Mouse Planet and there are no postings confirming that date.  Mighty frustrating!  Disney's own official site about Wave 3 still says December 2, 2003.  Some are still posting their favorite home video/DVD purchase sites are still listing December 2.   When you search for "fine print" on Disney's own site and maybe some others they are mixed in the dates they say between December 2-Spring 2004-May 2004.  So, like, who knows for sure?  Like, mighty frustrating!
Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 14, 2003 3:06 am/pm

Pardon the shouting but:  IT IS MAY 18th!!!!!!!!!!

Copying and pasting from Ultimate Disney.com, Disney home video and DVD fan site discussion boards about this topic, quoting begins:

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:04 pm    Post subject: Official Press Release for Disney Treasures Delay.  

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On Jerry Beck's wonderful website (http://www.cartoonresearch.com) he has posted this letter from BVHE Publicity:


Dear Journalist,
Due to the overwhelming consumer demand and retailer orders for Buena Vista Home Entertainment's WALT DISNEY TREASURES Wave 3, we have rescheduled the release to May 18, 2004.
Growing in popularity with each of the two previous debuts, demand for the four titles in the upcoming wave has exceeded BVHE's ability to manufacture enough of the highly-collectible, individually numbered, limited series.
WALT DISNEY TREASURES debuts some of Walt Disney's greatest wonders - uncut and uncensored, as never assembled or released on DVD before. Each exciting two-disc DVD volume is packaged in a collectible tin, with an exclusive lithograph. The limited series volumes contain individually numbered authenticity certificates. Fully restored, each volume is hosted by noted film historian Leonard Maltin.
The exciting Third Wave of the line (now debuting May 18, 2004) includes:

"On The Front Lines" the Disney Studio's rare and historic World War II-themed productions, including recently declassified military training films and the feature-length film "Victory Through Air Power," collected together for the first time.
"Mickey Mouse In Living Color (Volume Two)" features rare and never-before-seen Mickey Mouse animation. It is a continuation of the 2002 debut of Volume One.
"The Chronological Donald" presents a first-ever compilation of Donald Duck's shorts from 1936 to 1941.
"Tomorrowland" showcases Walt's historic TV shows on outer space and space travel.

These special sets are chock-full of supplemental features such as rare or unseen archival material, story sketch sequences, still-frame production art galleries, historical publicity and memorabilia galleries, artist interviews and more. Available for a limited time only on Disney DVD from Walt Disney Home Entertainment, each of these four new DVD volumes is priced at US$32.99 (S.R.P.) and Canada $36.99 (S.R.P).
Please don't hesitate to call or e-mail with questions, or check the BVHE Publicity website (www.BVHEpublicity.com) for continually updated information about this and all releases from Buena Vista Home Entertainment.

Sincerely,
BVHE Publicity

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Just thought I'd post this in it's own original thread. Luke, if you want to move it, that's fine with me.

peace,
c.

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Sounds solid to me.  Great to have some certain knowledge and a definite date to look forward to and budget for, eh?

Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 14, 2003 4:22 am/pm

So, I cruised over to this animation expert Jerry Beck's WWW site (see above, where the press release was originally copied from) and read their discussion forum for topics pertaining to Disney Treasures Wave 32 being delayed.  Thought you might get a chuckle:  Someone E-mailed the Disney Stores with their complaint.  Got a reply back that the Wave 3 titles were now "backordered" and could still be ordered, and get this: For shipping in July 2004!!!  Poster asking the readers "What do you make of this?"  A reply was that Disney Stores, since they are in the midst of finding a buyer for themselves, no longer receive up-to-date or reliable information from the head office about products.  This is not to disparage anyone who reads or posts on The Disney Echo who works or manages for Disney Stores or related retailing or product output owned by Disney.  But it is to give a flavor for the confusion that is still obviously going on about these titles and their true release date a week after news first seeped out over the Internet about the delayed release.  Even though the press release up above announces a date, and we generally know that home video releases generally come to the market on Tuesdays, and there are 4 Tuesdays or so in May 2004, maybe it isn't a total certainty that Wave 3 will come out May 4, May 18 or whenever in May 2004.  However, the owner of the WWW site, Jerry Beck, has the above press release prominently on his home page.  For what it's worth....I thought the tidbit I just passed on might get your hearts to racing.   ;)
Posted by: CarolKoster on Nov. 14, 2003 6:14 am/pm

According to LaughingPlace.com's Headlines for Friday November 14, 2003, Wave 3 is delayed to May 18, 2004, according to < Animation World News >, quoting from their site:

Disney Treasures Wave 3 DVD Collection Delayed

November 13, 2003

Due to "overwhelming consumer demand and retailer orders for Buena Vista Home Entertainment's WALT DISNEY TREASURES WAVE 3," the highly anticipated and collectible limited series has been pushed back from December 2, 2003 to May 18, 2004. Apparently Technicolor is backed up with manufacturing orders (including FINDING NEMO, THE LION KING and PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN), because, according to an official statement, "demand for the four titles in the upcoming wave has exceeded BVHE's ability to manufacture enough [units]."

WALT DISNEY TREASURES debuts some of Walt Disney's greatest wonders - uncut and uncensored, as never assembled or released on DVD before. Each two-disc DVD volume (priced at $32.99) is packaged in a collectible tin, with an exclusive lithograph. The limited series volumes contain individually numbered authenticity certificates. Fully restored, each volume is hosted by noted film historian Leonard Maltin.

WAVE 3 includes:

"On The Front Lines" the Disney Studio's rare and historic World War II-themed productions, including recently declassified military training films and the feature-length film VICTORY THROUGH AIR POWER, collected together for the first time.

"Mickey Mouse In Living Color (Volume Two)" features rare and never-before-seen Mickey Mouse animation. It is a continuation of the 2002 debut of Volume One.

"The Chronological Donald" presents a first-ever compilation of Donald Duck's shorts from 1936 to 1941.

TOMORROWLAND showcases Walt's historic TV shows on outer space and space travel.

These special sets are loaded with supplemental features such as rare or unseen archival material, story sketch sequences, still-frame production art galleries, historical publicity and memorabilia galleries, artist interviews and more.

End of quoted material.

Various discussion sites are saying from unnamed sources the production runs of each title in Wave 3 will be doubled.  This dilutes their value to collectors but will also ensure enough units will be on the market.

Posted by: Little John on Nov. 21, 2003 7:10 am/pm

Here is some more info from < DVDFile >:

These DVDs have been delayed until May 2004.  They were supposed to come out in December 2003 but Disney ran into issues with getting enough of the metal tins to satisfy the demand.

Here is some info from www.dvdfile.com: Treasure Tales - 12:21am

Where's Walt? Last week, Buena Vista Home Entertainment announced a five-month delay for the latest four releases in the studio's highly popular Walt Disney Treasures collection, which has caused a small furor across the Internet about the true reasoning behind the postponement.

The Treasures collection, a series of limited edition tins that contain extensive collections of classic Disney animated shorts, television specials and vintage archival material, are usually released every December to commemorate Walt's birthday. The four titles - The Chronological Donald Volume 1, Mickey Mouse in Living Color 2, Walt Disney on the Front Lines and Tomorrowland - were originally scheduled for a December 2nd street date, and have now been pushed back to May 18th. But it is Walt Disney on the Front Lines that is causing all the controversy among enthusiasts, with many fans speculating that Disney has intentionally delayed the release to make alterations to the set in lieu of potentially controversial content.

To quell the mounting backlash, Disney has publicly denied the accusations of self-censorship, instead citing a simple problem of supply and demand. "We had the fortunate problem of having much higher demand than we had anticipated," says Disney executive Lori McPherson. "We thought orders would be a little bit higher because we knew there was going to be a lot of demand for the Disney on the Front Lines volume, but orders came in about fifty percent higher than even our most aggressive projection."

Unlike most DVD releases, which come in standard keepcase-like packaging, the Walt Disney Treasures series is also housed in a custom collectible tin, which must be imported from overseas and necessitated the delay. "There was no way (the studio) could get them in time," McPherson adds. "We were in a situation where we would have to allocate orders out to retailers, and that, combined with the fact that it is such a busy fourth quarter led us to decide that the best thing to do with these releases was to move them to May 18th."

And in what McPherson calls an "incorrect supposition," internet speculation has many fans worried that the Walt Disney on the Front Lines that will premiere in May will be different from what would have arrived in December. But "we are not changing anything," McPHerson assures. The discs "are already done and have been done for a number of months. I think some consumers were just surprised that we were releasing the war shorts, because we have never released them before."

Like all of the Walt Disney Treasures titles, Walt Disney on the Front Lines will be available only for a limited time, which McPherson believes is the main reason for the sudden surge in interest. "Retailers are realizing that we are only releasing them once. We are not repromoting them all year long. They really do go away."

Hope this helps.    

:happydance:

Posted by: Goofyteer on Nov. 21, 2003 10:08 am/pm

That works out cool for me. I kept telling myself I shouldn't be getting those sets because I needed the extra $100 for Christmas. Now I don't have to worry and can preorder them when I get back! :coolgrin:
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