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Posted: Sep. 08, 2003 1:37 am/pm Quote

Well, I read Jim Hill's column today about the accident and the Disney fan-WWW site coverage of it.  

http://www.jimhillmedia.com

Look for a Monday, September 8, 2003 headline.

I also read Al Lutz and Kevin Yee at MiceAge

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today and some of the posts on Mouse Planet's discussion area about Disneyland topics

http://www.mouseplanet.com

I gather one thing:  Emotions are running high about this tragedy.  With emotion people will type in and hit "send" before letting the story play out or before calming down.

It would seem that some kind of equipment error or failure happened, just like very soon after the space shuttle Columbia disintegrated last February it was shown that at takeoff a piece of insulating foam came off the external fuel tank and hit one of the wing edges of the shuttle at high speed.  It's too early in the DL Big Thunder accident to say what the cause was, but like with Columbia an early clue seems to have emerged, but we can't say that for certain yet.  IF it pans out that human error or failure error was on Disney's part and IF such error could have been prevented, then that will come out not just in the parts of the official investigation that are made public but likely in a court of law due to "tort" (personal injury) lawsuits being filed by injury recipients seeking compensation and in the discovery process for trial.   There's a story here still playing out.  The facts will come out, but that process needs to go on at it's pace and carefully.  We all need to know the truth so in turn this tragedy doesn't happen again.

I read all these onsite columns and discussion areas and my heart goes out to a lot of people directly connected to what happened as well as those connected by degrees of separation and by Disney fanship.  I hope the investigation goes smoothly, the causes found and fixed and not just patched up.  Disneyland is the crown jewel of the Disney theme park division, even though other Disney parks in the world are newer or enjoy greater attendance and offer greater amenities.  That famous portrait of Walt Disney walking through the castle port cullass, that was Walt walking at Disneyland, not at any of the other theme parks (those didn't exist at the end of Walt's life).  Big Thunder Mountain Railroad didn't even exist at the park at the end of Walt's life, it came much later on.  But the point here is that in memory of Walt Disney, who kept close tabs on this park, the type of park he envisioned families coming to and enjoying can be maintained and restored.  So that the upbeat greeting Walt himself offered to all on opening day can be realized in joy and safety and security "To all who come to this happy place, welcome!"  As with Mickey Mouse's creation "I hope we never lose sight of one thing:  That it all started with a mouse.", so too should we keep in mind that the Disney parks we love to escape to and enjoy all started with Disneyland.  What happens there with the investigation and reformation of the particular attraction will speak volumes to Disney fans and guests.  We're listening, we're watching, we're monitoring.  In Walt's memory, please "get it" and "get it right", Disney.


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Posted: Sep. 08, 2003 1:42 am/pm Quote

Excellent, Carol. I'm sure you've expressed the feelings of many people, myself included.
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Posted: Sep. 08, 2003 2:16 am/pm Quote

Someone posted on Mouse Planet's DL discussion forum they'd attended the ABC TV network promotional activities Saturday.  Didn't have a thing to do with the Big Thunder Mountain accident.  And the poster happend to remark how hot and crowded it was at California Adventure that afternoon, had obtained a couple of Fast Passes but the return time was very very much later, due to the crowds.  It was frustrating for the family, so they left.  Another poster claimed to have been at DCA at the same time, got similar Fast Passes but with entirely different return times, and accused the first poster of "lying" about conditions out there that day.  Their moderator chastised poster # 2 about that, and poster # 1 fired back a bit later in the thread.  So, like, I get from that that folks are very edgy, emotional right now.  So, like, pull back from the keyboard and get some R & R and let events settle in your mind and heart.  'Cause the authorities who need to be looking into the incident are and there's nothing any of us can do about it except pray (if you're into that) or hope (if you're into that) that Disney takes its lumps and does the truly right thing vs. what patches and looks good to the public.  That's what caused me to write.  Thanks.

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Posted: Sep. 09, 2003 1:05 am/pm Quote

Is there any word yet on how all this has affected park attendance and people's plans to go? Any cancellations or anything or has everyone taken it in stride?

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Posted: Sep. 09, 2003 2:00 am/pm Quote

There's only been general comments that attendance seems light -- but then again, it isn't the peak season anymore. I have heard that occupancy at the official hotels of the Disneyland Resort (Grand Californian, Disneyland Hotel, etc.) is running very low right now. No one can get more specific than that, because Disney doesn't release attendance figures like some other parks do.

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Posted: Sep. 09, 2003 2:34 am/pm Quote

Thanks again for the information Rich :mickey:

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Posted: Sep. 10, 2003 5:23 am/pm Quote

Here is some up to date info about the accident.Seems the train was in a tunnel going up an incline.

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Posted: Sep. 10, 2003 6:00 am/pm Quote

The site below offers its visitors a daily press digest, links to printed articles or WWW site articles about Disney topics.  Some sites may request you register with them (free of charge) to read the articles online, others don't but have articles that expire after a period of time.  Since the accident Laughing Place has posted links to ongoing follow-up articles in the Los Angeles Times and Orange County (Ca.) Register.  Look on the left side of the screen on the site's front page for "Headlines", click it, and there you go.  The daily new press links are up Monday through Friday on regular business days in the mid-afternoon Pacific time.

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Posted: Sep. 10, 2003 6:36 am/pm Quote

The Disney Echo has its own links area, which uses Google News and a number of different news sites as well. As they say on MousePlanet, there's no need to look at someone else's site if what you're seeking is already on this site (paraphrasing what one of their moderators posted when someone wrote a link to another website's Disney news area).
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And although Laughing Place is a fine site and I'm friends with the people who run it, most of the time they only update their news headlines once a day, although they are to be commended for keeping more up to date in regards to the BTMRR story. But here on the Disney Echo, just select the red "Disney News" button in the mouse-eared navigation bar above (looks like this: ) and you won't have to wait for a certain time of day (or night) to see the latest news about Disney (including this unfortunate fatal accident) -- Google and the other news sites we scan on our Disney Echo news page all do a great job of automatically presenting you with the very latest news -- you'll sometimes see the news was posted only a few minutes prior to you checking.

Click here to see constantly-updated news about Disney

Once you are on that page, you can add to the search criteria, such as typing Thunder Mountain after the word it defaults to, which is Disney. Just put a space in between all words.

For example, here's the latest news about the Big Thunder Mountain Railroad accident at Disneyland:



Coroner's report says Disneyland accident victim bled to death
The San Francisco Chronicle reports Marcelo Torres bled to death after suffering being struck in the chest by an unknown object during Friday's accident aboard Big Thunder Mountain Railroad.

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Family of ride victim hires investigation team
The September 10th Associated Press announces Marcelo Torres' family has hired private investigators they hope are able to join the state, Anaheim and theme park teams probing the cause of the accident.

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Posted: Sep. 10, 2003 6:49 am/pm Quote

You'll need to be registered on their website to view this story (although it is free to register), but the Los Angeles Times has a very interesting article you should see:

Finally, Eisner, Davis Get Real

Quick quote: What do Michael Eisner and Gray Davis have in common, other than that both preside over sprawling amusement parks — Disneyland and California, respectively — whose stock is rather low at the moment?

The answer: Each had a recent epiphany.

Such moments are usually worthy of celebration, signaling as they do a new level of enlightenment. And who says that, just because Davis and Eisner are veteran CEOs, they can't wake up and smell the coffee at long last?

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